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Maybe Marin was being honest and a decision was made. That makes Godfrey Smith and Musa liars, I guess either way you take it, you still have the public being lied to.

I heard the tape on the radio and there is nothing there. There might be more going on that we don't know about but if that conversation is all we have then we have nothing. (We meaning the public, because PUP is supposedly pointing out problems that would affect us.)

How about David Fonseca still being involved in the political arena although he stole thousands upon thousands of dollars?

It’s all a mess the way I see it PUP is trying to find as much dirt as possible on the existing city council and it’s starting to look desperate. Did Mr. Samuels have a valid license to carry that gun? If he did or didn't I think Dean Barrow did the right thing, the facts should be investigated and once this is done then a decision should be made. For example this whole Bacalar Chico scandal could have been averted if Mr. Marin would have shut his mouth but instead you had conflicting stories about what or if a decision was made on the sale. Maybe it was on purpose in order to test the public's response.

Another example: to this day Musa has not publicly taken a position on the DFC scandal or the SSB scandal. Instead some of the key players have rec’d promotions within the party ranks, I had to listen to Mr. Zabaneh talk about SSB and all the plans they have for our retirement fund, all this when I feel he was an intricate part in the whole scandal. I feel they over inflated the value of the portfolio and in a sense help commit fraud on the investors and mismanaged the public’s funds. These funds where used to trigger this whole mess. His argument is that the investors should have done their Due Diligence but the truth is that our country’s credit rating helped them unload all these fraudulent loans . One of the key reasons why they were able to make this whole thing look clean was because of our high rating at that time, B++; in a sense our rating was our bond. Now look at where we are, selective default (SD).

Then asshole, Musa can order an investigation by the police that would stand up before the DPP that would force the DPP to take Barrow to court. If Musa has the evidence and pass it over to the police, then the DPP can do his job.

You bush lawyer need some schooling.

You seem to know a hell of a lot what Barrow can do, but hardly know what Musa can do?? How strange??

How can a person be "withhold" what they have no responsibility to give.

If I withhold something from you, I must first have a duty to give it to you. The Mayor was under NO such duty, so stop tell lies.

If I was drinking tonight, knock down a man. If I called Barrow as a friend, he come to the the police station, the first thing he would do is to tell me to say NOTHING. Would that be withholding evidence??

Any good lawyer, including Barrow or Musa, could take that case and get me off innocent. How could that be if I indeed knock down the man? Because lawyers use the law to save their clients, not feed them to the police.

I don't understand how everytime redhead, ras, grep and penguino talk they have to insult other members of this forum. Fuck, you all need to take some valium or something. Especially ras, you'll get a heart attack like that. Anyway. Redhead you missing the point completely. The lawyers in the Commission were indeed advising clients, Dean was not acting as any lawyer. He, the UDP Leader, was telling a UDP mayor to withold evidence. The fact that the gun was not licensed to Samuels was not incriminating Zenaida in anything illegal - incompetence yes - so why would she have to remain mute if not to protect the image of her already dysfunctional council and the UDP. Now this business about Musa taking Barrow to court. The police investigate and the DPP levies charges. Or maybe in your UDP mentality the PM can do whatever the hell he wants.

I am a firm believer in justice, if Barrow did wrong the let the full weight of the law be brought down on him.

The fact the Musa only talk, and talk, and talk, means there is nothing that Dean did wrong. Lawyers advise clients to SHUT THEIR MOUTHS all the time. Shit before the Commission of Inquiry the Big Crooks were consulting their lawyers only to reply "I cannot recall". Was the lawyer suppressing evidence? Hell NO?? They were being good lawyers protecting a client. The Mayor was told to "do nothing", let the Police do their investigation - the Mayor is under on obligation to incriminate herself. That is why a person has the right to remain SILENT... you stupid bush lawyer.. get a live.

But, I don't give a shit about Dean, if he is wrong, tell Musa take his to court and jail his ass. Or is Musa more crooked than Dean ,,,,

So the City Council has deteriorated into the posse of Bob Hotchandani. How fitting that this bunch of misfits is now being referred to by big money as flunkies and go-fers. Pathetic. On the real what have they done for the city more than halfway through their term? And from reports today, it looks like Mark King is not happy with Palm Island - maybe because the owner no grease him yet. For sure the Iguana owner pays big bucks each week to get the favours that he gets. And after the squabble with Hubert, Zenaida settled for free drinks over at Putt Putt as payment. Dalla does not approve, since he has his own thing going down the road. But hey, who can stop the Z-train?

But reds, Dean was not a lawyer advising a client. This was the two highest elected officials in the UDP conspiring to 'hold down' evidence in a criminal matter that could prove crucial. This isn't a fucking movie, gial, this is real life. And this is the man who wants to be our PM, deliberately telling the mayor of Belize City to hide evidence. An elected representative must be held to a higher standard than a citizen who wants to keep her mouth shut. If this were any other country Dean would be forced to resign. This recording is outrageous

Ha
Ha Ha
Ha Ha Ha
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

(etc)

"Drink Up, Smoke Up, Juk Up...nothing else really matters"

PUP Da Love - Love of MONEY ! thats why dem di sell wi out & thief out di fucking money.

Dionicia da wah stupid fuck...she da one ah maricial mes & the pup puppets. U are a disgrace to all indian.

Fuck You, Have A Nice Day.

John Saldivar is saying that the P.U.P.is telling thier people to hate the u.d.p. but that is not true.They say it themselves just listen to the recording with Melvin Hulse critisizing the poor Mayas of Belize Fuc and that because he da wa standard bearer.Dean Barrow on the other hand is trynig to cover for his Fuc up councillor and Zenaida recording his rass what kind a prime minister Dean (FISH) Barrow will he make for Belize.That not even Zenaida Moya trusts him, she more than likely was going to save that recording to cover her ass when things go bad with she and Barrow.

Just as I believed, a lawyer advising a client need not turn over evidence he knows about. It is for the "police to investigate" and make their case.

If lawyers had to tell the police EVERYthing they know about thier client, how would a lawyer win a case?

So, the recordings may "SOUND" bad, but it is normal for lawyer to advise his clients to KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT. That is so normal, we see it in movies all the time. No one stopped the police from investigating, but a citizen has a right to keep his mouth shut.

Dean want you to tell Musa and the PUP leaders to try again... there is nothing to hide.

Musa and the PUP are so desperate now that they are grasping at straws.....

meant mayan lady's home

Then maybe Reds, you forget when Melvin buldozed down the Mayan lady's come in 1996, saying the lee indian dog sitdown di hurt his eyes. That doesn't sound racist to you.

If Dean Barrow is suppressing evidence and perverting the course of justice why is the Musa Administration not applying the law. I have NO TOLERANCE for Corruption - RED NOR BLUE - Let the full power of the law fall upon Dean, otherwise, the Musa and the PUP are also commiting a crime.

Do not come here accusing Barrow of a crime, when Musa sit down and cheerlead.

I am no lawyer, but perhaps Barrow did nothing wrong, and Musa is only seeking political mileage. If Barrow is wrong, Musa is double wrong to do nothing.

A man running a joke, while a very rude joke, does not make a man racist. We all make remakes about each others.. many creole no like garifuna, or spanish curse us niggrita, or we joke about Mayan being short, whatever. In private conversation a person may say things to run a joke, that they don't really take seriously. I make statements to friends I don't take serious. If those statements were taken and played on radio I would look really bad.

Melvin look bad, he has to live with that, but I doubt the man is racist.

Funny how the 'Boycott Mirab' email emanated from the confines of Dr. Carla Bennet's address in Belize Rural North. I wonder if the lady who was once the highest 'finance' public servant did actually send out this e-mail, or some mischief maker used her name. Nevertheless, I guess I would have a comment on the pros/cons of the boycott if I actually shopped at Mirab. Have never been there and never plan to. So Skan and Reds continue with the banter by all means - it is amusing. But no one really cares.

Last night on Krem Lois Young Barrow said that the DFC Commission on Inquiry had no legal counsel. She said she was assisting Merlene Bailey on an ad hoc basis. If that's the case, then why did LYB submit a bill to the Ministry of Finance for legal services provided to the DFC Commission of Inquiry for $90,000? Man, no care what you loverboy Conteh say, you are the biggest fraud, Lois. But I have to give you kudos on the sticker, No forget the pain, that the ACB brought out. Clearly you are referring to the UDP's heartless firing of 860 public servants days before christmas and the economic hardship that Belize suffered from 1993 to 1998.

Sylvana Woods would say "fish geh ketch by deh mout" and that is exactly what has happened to two UDP candidates, one of which aspires to be leader of this country.

First Flippin (Melvin Hulse). Well for a long time we know this man can't control his mouth. In 1998 he was taped telling Reuben Campos that he wicked and now he has been taped making racist remarks against the Maya. The man went as far as to say that a mixture of a Mayan and a Jamaican would have to go in the Guinness Book of Records as the worst possible person. SC West full of Mayan Voters. They need to chase this man back to his farm

And if that wasn't bad enough, there is Dean Barrow recorded clearly advising Zenaida Moya to "hold down", i.e. keep secret, critical evidence in the Dean Samuels gun case. This is an open and shut case of suppression of evidence and perverting the course of justice, but biased people like Mose, LYB and all of you reds on this site are too stunned and ashamed to say anything. Speak up now, cause last week you all had lot to say about a crazy white man making unfounded allegations against government ministers. Here you have the man himself, Dean Oliver, committing a serious criminal offence. And what was Dean's response on Channel 5: he admitted to saying it but that he was misinformed. People no fool Dean, you are clearly the biggest hypocrite in Belize.

because if that was what you had said in the beginning, we would not have needed that long conversation.

But, you overlook the fact that we CAN BOYCOTT MIRAB and still deal with the wider issues of fixing the system.

I think road-fly had suggested "why not react on all fronts".

Let us fix the system, but continue to BOYCOTT MIRAB to make sure other wealthly and connected individuals do not make this a habit. Further, we can expect that steps are already underway to ensure the policemen get off. That must have been promised to them for their cooperation. By boycotting Mirab, those leaders who made those promises will find it much harder to follow through with a Belizean public with zero tolerance for nonsense.

At the end of the day, only Belizeans can save Belize.

Now you are in tune. Forget the Mayas' case forget Mrs. Perriot case and let address the one at hand.

As contained in my disclaimer yesterday, I am not endorsing nor discouraging the boycoot of Mirab. It took all this dialogue to atleast understand that we are on the same page.

I agree with you and think you are right in having the sentiment about "Is AbouNehra to be allowed to go back to business as usual?" Firmly, I believe whether he is allowed or not, that will not change the way things are. Not only should those police officers face criminal charges, their superiors should too and that includes the Prime Minister, Minister and any party which part took in the miscarriage of justice (remember Meerbaux).

In the end the intent of my blog was to inform the readers of my article that boycotting Mirab ONLY and doing nothing else, will not fix the problem. Just as important as it is to you to boycott Mirab, it should be to do all that is within your power to try to influence positive change in the society you live in and the System over all. That's all I meant.

How will uttering Boycoot Mirab, Boycott Mirab fix the system. What should be done is to agitate change. Encourage people to voice there concern so a commission of Inquiry may be establish to review the events which influenced this outcome and put all those found liable, in jail or fire them.

If there is one thing I have learnt from being out here, is that Morality and Legality are on different end of the spectrum. While Ben Bou-Nehra was morally wrong to us, he was proven (and court records will prove it) innocent/not guilty/acquitted. Hence he bore no legal responsibility for Shawn Copious death. His money may had influenced such outcome and again, you are free to boycott his store to express you disappointment. But more importantly, is to make those responsible for him walking out of court a freeman, be held responsible.

Boycoot Mirab if want but let's get the system fix.

BTW- Again, you misunderstood what I said. I am not "looking to work in 'Corporate America'". I am working in Corporate America. C'mon dude, I need to survive somehow. You can rest assured that I can not wait for me to complete my education and return to Belize. The US of A was not made for me. Been tired of it since I got here but a man has to do what a man has to do.

Caio!!

Lahn something fool....anything!!!

Is your so-called eloquence to baffle us with bullshit??
cause you certainly do not have inteligence.

The issue is pretty simply. We all know what the police did. That matter is settle. We know AbouNehra got off. That is a settled matter.

The issue now is how do we deal with what happened?

The police are getting their just deserved. Is AbouNehra to be allowed to go back to business as usual?

Business as usual is why we ALL want a change. Enough is enough. Yet, skanless is suggesting the status quo. Convenient is it not?

I support the boycott because crime that goes unpunished encourage others to follow. It is time for all of us to join hands and put an end to this madness messing up our society.

Skanless is looking to work in "Corporate America", his bread is butter on all sides, is it a case of full belly telling empty belly to have heart. We are use to that story. We are tired of that story.

Boycott Mirab NOW!!!

Like the subject of your posting "the educated fool" you seem to be an irony. I am not sure whether you deliberately attempt to portray yourself this way, or if it is innate to your mere existence. Nonetheless, I will remove my "learndedness"(as you would say) and respond to your second posting. Maybe then you would be able to appreciate as a Belizean, how dedicated and persistent one has to be to achieve an education. Furthermore, having an education means nothing if one can not put it in use to effect changes or teach others.

Again, You said:

So, the dummy skanless had to try impressing us by saying he is pursuing professional studies overseas. What a joke? This man is an educated fool, what is he doing wasting TAXPAYERS' money on a scholarship?

My response:

First off, I am not seeking any glory here. I said that as a response to some misconceived statement you made in your previous post. As we can all see, you are no longer addressing the issue. Your futile attempt is to attack the messenger. This is typical of anyone who does not have the capacity to discuss the issue at hand.

Secondly, no one in Belize is paying for my education. I worked and made sacrifices until I could afford to put myself through school. For your information as soon as I had completed my secondary education I joined the Belize Defence Force. Yes, I love my country and was prepared to die for it. Can you say the same? After leaving the military I worked in the private sector. Since then I started saving MY money until I had enough to enroll into the UC system. Thereafter, my academic achievements provided for me to proceed to where I am, today.

Now, you tell me who is the irony?

You said:

“Poor skanless plead for us to discuss one ONE issue at a time, he cannot deal with multiple issues - like the success of the recent Mayan case along with the AbouNehra case. skanless, if you cannot take the heat of the kitchen, keep out! That is what Musa said before.”

My response:

Multi-tasking never proved to be challenging to me. However, I am of the firm belief that you should complete one flow of thought before jumping to another. No one gets the intended message or idea for any of the discussion topics if you are back and forth between topics. Discuss one topic then move on to the other. This is English 101. However, that may be something you may never learn, given your attitude.

It maybe above me but I am not sure what heat you are talking about. I would never let the “pep” talks on Koncas become heat to me. I have got bigger fish to fry. FYI- Working in Corporate America provides more than necessary heat.
Personally, I do not care what Mr. Musa said before. I care about him and his comrades taking my people as “cunnu-munnu” and doing as they please with our country. He and his entire Cabinet needs to go to jail.

You said:

So, skanless is impress with CJ Conteh, but he wish to do nothing as AbouNehra and police make a mockery of the judiciary. Is skanless trying to cover his desire to allow injustice by suggest he likes the CJ?

My response:

I now know from your comment above, that you know nothing about the Law. Instead of spending so much time on here, please feel free to use the internet efficiently and look for the legal definition of "Double Jeopardy". After understanding that term, then you will know that the CJ hands are tied. There is nothing else he can do.
My personal admiration for the CJ has nothing to do with his judgment on any case. It is more so, on his learnt abilities. He is one of the many Professional in Belize I admire. Other for whom I have admiration for includes Mr. Barrow, Colville Young (GG) for his literary work and Mark Espat. Again my admiration for these people does not stem from their political affiliation but by their achievements’ and their contribution to our country.

You said:

skanless, seems to be arguing that the policemen did this on their own. Which one of us believe that? For the ALL the years we have lived in Belize, police has been taking criminals to court that they do not know. When did a police ever said he "forgot"? Not One, Not Two, but FOUR policemen suddenly FORGOT what AbouNehra looked like.

My response:

I will not try to defend what I said. For clarification please read my previous response to your other post. I will not attempt change your assumption, because we all know what is said about "assuming". Any literate person could have read my posting and understand your interpretation of my writing, is way-off.

You said:

Was the policemen paid off or were powerful people within the Musa Administration involved?

My Response:

I am not sure why you would ask me a question like this. To respond, I will say, I do not know. I do not, personally, know Mr. Musa and his cohorts. Neither did I personally see anyone being paid off. If you know, please enlighten us (word of advice, be careful of the legal repercussions). If they were and we could prove it then they too should be sent to jail.

You said:

If skanless believed this "just happened by chance" then his parents would have been better off raising pigs that sending him to college.

My response:

The occurrence of a happenstance in this case would not be impossible. However, like popular perception, I personally believe otherwise. Again, either you misunderstood my blog or did not read it in its entirety. Nonetheless, you were more than delighted to assume and pen a response which was totally irrelevant. (talk about "then his parents would have been better off raising pigs that sending him to college." That statement is proved positive that we should look in the mirror before making reckless statements.)

PS: Please feel free to use your newly learnt word "happenstance" to reduce to amount of typing needed to type "just happened by chance". Plus using "happenstance" will make you seem more eloquent.

Anyway, Readhead, I have allowed myself to be reduced, but I will attribute to my teaching experience. Have a nice day!!!

Lahn something fool....anything!!!

Readhead, with due respect I will respond to several of the erroneous assumption you made. Hopefully, that will culminate this dialogue between you and I. This is a discussion, something; seemingly you do not know how to do. For your reference a discussion is based on a topic. I present an idea you respond to it with supporting facts but at no time should the supporting facts become the topic of the discussion. Hopefully the conversational tips afforded to you here will aid in you better presenting your ideas hence making you a better debater. So here goes:

You said:
"2) So if Mirab close down, the WHOLE economy of Belize will crash because of a domino effect? That sound more like PUP propaganda than an objective assessment."

I am stunned at the idea that you think this is or resembles a political propaganda. It will definitely take more than this to crash the Belizean economy. No where in my posting, did I say or insinuated that this will cause the demise of our economy. What I said was "many if not all employees who works at Mirab will eventually loose their jobs and become dependent on already struggling social services." The operant there being "struggling social services" not crashing the economy.

You said:

3) Why the Compol, YOU failed to mentioned which who the buck stops.. The Prime Minister and Minister of Police. How could they allow this to happen without even giving a statment to the country? Would the Compol and Senior Officers risk they livilhood without the protection from above?

But, another argument made is that NO ONE was paid, the police were pressured and intimidated by Politicians to do they boy this favor. After all, how much would 4 police cost when they would loose they jobs. $200 Thousand, is it not much easier to pay a good lawyer?? Who would be powerful enough to pressure 4 policemen? Name the Ministers!!

In my blog I said:

"What we should do as a community is to lobby for the arrest of the Commisioner of Police, Head of CIB (at the time of the murder) as well those other political figures, who may have helped him to get off so easy. There was no way Ben Bou-Nehra himself could had manipulated our legal system to the extent to which it was made a mockery on that fateful day when he was acquitted."

FYI: "as well those other political figures" Includes the Prime Minister and the Minister of police. Again, goes to show that (a) either you did not read the blog in it entirety or (b) your inability to comprehend have the defied you the opportunity to correctly understand what I was saying.

You said:

4a) Why has over society deteriorated to THIS LOW LEVEL? Is Musa responsible for this terrible deterioration?

I said:

“The actions of these officers were NOT independent of the corruption that is so rampant in our Belizean society today. Our values as a people and a society has deteriorated so much that the decision made by these police officers were the culmination of an event which was corrupt form the get go. Like these officers, many high ranking personnel in our society, today, has Shawn Copious blood on their hands.

You said:

4b) Due process. That was exactly what the Court case was about: to determine if AbouNehra life was REALLY threaten or if he simply killed an fleeing person. We want AbouNehra to defend his rights, but it must be before a Court of Law, not paying off policemen.

I said:
Mr. Ben Bou-Nahra got the best punishment for his crime that his money could afford him. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with that. We would all do the same if we can afford. Who failed us was our legal system and enforcers (or better said, those who should be the enforcers) of our laws.

Analysis: The truth of the matter is that those police officers took the final actions to bring this case to an end not Mr. Ben Bou-Nahra.

You said:

4c) Again, under Musa corruption has become such commonplace within our society that even the policemen did not blink an eye in following their leaders example. Now do you see why Belizeans need to get rid of the PUP Leaders that are destroying our society?

My response:

Please read the response to 4(a). At this point your argument is becoming redundant.

You said:

5) How did the system fail? It worked for the Mayans? The system is NOT perfect, but it works. Why blame the system, AbouNehra hired good lawyers. Was it Musa's Son? Why did AbouNehra not allow the system to work?

Your assumption, like many is that he paid "somebody"(maybe you kow something which we do not know.). Even if that were the case, he was in court to stand trial and neither he nor his lawyers had ultimate control over what happened in court. Those four officers decided to do what they did. Perhaps they did forget we do not know for sure. Whether they were financially compensated on or not there moral compass should had overcome their greed. It is commonly perceived that this was not the case. However, they made that fateful decision.

You said:

5) How did the system fail? It worked for the Mayans? The system is NOT perfect, but it works.

The system failed us from the get go. The DPP told the police department to charge him for murder and they did not, consequently there was the falling out between the DPP and the Police. If the system was working the way it was suppose to, the Commissioner of Police along with his officers who neglected to charge Ben Bou-Nehra for murder should had been sent to jail.

The System did work for the Mayans, but we were not discussing the Mayans here. If we were discussing the Court System only then your argument would suffice. However we were talking on the system on a whole including the role of the politician, police officers as well as the effect of being financially secured, in Belize. It was an all inclusive system that I was referring to, not only the court system. If it was court system only then we could had discussed Mrs. Perriot case too. (Next time please stick to the topic at hand.)

You said:

Why blame the system, AbouNehra hired good lawyers. Was it Musa's Son?

Don't we all have a right to choose an attorney who can effectively defend us? I for one if I had any problem in Belize I would retain either Mr. Barrow or Mr. Sampson as my attorney. I believe these people can appropriately defend me. My decision to seek their services would not necessarily be, because of their political affiliation. I, as well as YOU, and everyone else, have the right to choose the legal counsel of our pleasing.

You said:

Why did AbouNehra not allow the system to work?

My response
I may have missed something here, but was it Mr. Bou-Nehra who told the court that he could not identify himself? Or was it the police officers, thus seducing the result which came from the court? Educate me here, Redhead. He was in court prepared to answer to the charges. What else was he suppose to do? How did he not allow the system to work? Again, whether he paid those officers or not, ultimately they chose to do what they did.

You said:

But the real reason for the whole long essay, was for you too get to the final point, right skanless, to tell us you see NOTHING wrong with what AbouNehra did.

My response:

There is not a need for me to get the "final point" in this discussion. I am not in search of any glory. My intent was to provide and opportunity for us to see what is wrong with our system. Personally, I do not care whether Mirab remains open or not. I do not care whether Ben Bou-Nehra remains in Belize or not. My main concern as a Belizean is to get our system working properly. Make it work the way it is suppose for us and our kids. Let the politicians’ and their cohorts pay the price for their crime.

Hopefully you will take sometime to thoroughly read and understand the content of THIS posting, thus removing the possibility of miscontruing what I am saying here. It would not hurt if you consult a dictionary as the need arises while reading my blog. This will eliminate the potential of you displaying your full capacity or lack thereof.

Good Day.

Lahn something fool....anything!!!

all fronts and all levels?

If I can avoid spending money at MIRAB then why not? Hey even if it is all mental and I can gain satisfaction from knowing that not one red cent of mine was used to pervert the system against me. If I can pressure the system to hold all the links accountable then why not? Lets make such an example out of these cops that they'll think twice next time.

The police force is out of control, in the last 30 days we have seen 3 incidents that involves the cops:

The muder of Reneau police suspected. (he worked at positive vibes)
The shooting up of Mrs. Bevans house. (Compol Maureen Leslie's Mom and staunch supporter of this government)
The Abu-Nehra case.

So sometimes the political bosses just can't control their pitbulls.

Skanless I hear but I disagree with the economy part, cause its all about supply and demand. If Mirab packs up then someone else will set up shop to supply the public's demand.

So, the dummy skanless had to try impressing us by saying he is pursuing professional studies overseas. What a joke? This man is an educated fool, what is he doing wasting TAXPAYERS' money on a scholarship?

Poor skanless plead for us to discuss one ONE issue at a time, he cannot deal with multiple issues - like the success of the recent Mayan case along with the AbouNehra case. skanless, if you cannot take the heat of the kitchen, keep out! That is what Musa said before.

So, skanless is impress with CJ Conteh, but he wish to do nothing as AbouNehra and police make a mockery of the judiciary. Is skanless trying to cover his desire to allow injustice by suggest he likes the CJ?

Poor skanless cannot even extend the conversation to possible Ministerial involvement. Was Musa's Son AbouNehra lawyer? Is that something to consider?

skanless, seems to be arguing that the policemen did this on their own. Which one of us believe that? For the ALL the years we have lived in Belize, police has been taking criminals to court that they do not know. When did a police ever said he "forgot"? Not One, Not Two, but FOUR policemen suddenly FORGOT what AbouNehra looked like.

Was the policemen paid off or were powerful people within the Musa Administration involved?

If skanless believed this "just happened by chance" then his parents would have been better off raising pigs that sending him to college.

BOYCOTT MIRAB... skanless does not even live in Belize, YOU DO!!

BOYCOTT MIRAB!!!

Redhead, your ignorance is blistering it makes one wonder how someone with so much potential as yourself be so defiant of the reality? I was not supporting Mr. Musa, Mr. Barrow, Mr. Fonseca, or Mirab. I've read a couple of your posting Redhead and I use to give you the benefit of the doubt. But now, I draw back and re-consider.

I am bewildered by your misconception and determination to endorse a political party thus providing, for you to display your unroundedness. FYI..I do not even live in the society you live in. I am a concerned Belizean pursuing a professional degree, so I can go back to my country and enlighten people like you. Something you would never be able to accomplish due to your myopia. At no point in time did I say what happened was right. Neither did I endorsed or discussed any other issues in Belize, including the Mayas. I thought the outcome of the case involving the Maya were forthcoming and well judge by Dr. Abdulai Conteh, whom co-incidentally I have much respect for. I am of the firm belief that Dr. Conteh was the best thing ever happened to Belize.

It behooves me to let your comment become a part of the past. We are discussing issues here Redhead not political propaganda. The fact is that the accused was at court in anticipation of Due Process (hopefully) but our system failed us. Is that too hard for you to decipher? The peripheral issues you mentioned in you posting was never a part of this discussion and was never considered. Anyone with a semblance of intelligence would had understood what I was talking about, unfortunately, you did not. It tells volume of your capacity. Anyway I will not be beleaguered and reduce to your level, I wrote what I felt is true and you have all right to disagree.

Good night.

Lahn something fool....anything!!!

Let us ALL BOYCOTT MIRAB!!!
You missed the point skanless:

1) Boycotting Mirab WILL NOT affect the economy, people will simply spend their money somewhere else. An even if it did affected the economy, some price may be worth paying. At what point will Belizeans take a stand?? ALL Actions cause some other reaction. If you strike, someone is inconvenienced, should we never go on strike??

2) So if Mirab close down, the WHOLE economy of Belize will crash because of a domino effect? That sound more like PUP propaganda than an objective assessment.

3) Why the Compol, YOU failed to mentioned which who the buck stops.. The Prime Minister and Minister of Police. How could they allow this to happen without even giving a statment to the country? Would the Compol and Senior Officers risk they livilhood without the protection from above?

But, another argument made is that NO ONE was paid, the police were pressured and intimidated by Politicians to do they boy this favor. After all, how much would 4 police cost when they would loose they jobs. $200 Thousand, is it not much easier to pay a good lawyer?? Who would be powerful enough to pressure 4 policemen? Name the Ministers!!

4a) Why has over society deteriorated to THIS LOW LEVEL? Is Musa responsible for this terrible deterioration?

4b) Due process. That was exactly what the Court case was about: to determine if AbouNehra life was REALLY threaten or if he simply killed an fleeing person. We want AbouNehra to defend his rights, but it must be before a Court of Law, not paying off policemen.

4c) Again, under Musa corruption has become such commonplace within our society that even the policemen did not blink an eye in following their leaders example. Now do you see why Belizeans need to get rid of the PUP Leaders that are destroying our society?

5) How did the system fail? It worked for the Mayans? The system is NOT perfect, but it works. Why blame the system, AbouNehra hired good lawyers. Was it Musa's Son? Why did AbouNehra not allow the system to work?

But the real reason for the whole long essay, was for you too get to the final point, right skanless, to tell us you see NOTHING wrong with what AbouNehra did. The rest of us see MANY things wrong.. so get away.

If you believe paying off policemen before the courts is a good thing, then I can see why you an not for the boycott. Keep on tracking .. the rest us of are not fools, we know what we have to do to save our Belize.
BOYCOTT MIRAB!!

for once i think i have to agree with u skanless. he could have kiled the entire neighborhood, thats a choice that all of us have, we are the ones in control of our actions. whether or not others (dpp, police, prosecutor, judge) will facilitate you in your craziness is a separate matter in itself. and its the legal sector which has failed us. now we all know that the stink of this situation goes way to the minister, and everyone from the onset knew what teh turnout would be, i dont think that anyone thought it would happen this way. well i wonder if teh payoff teh police officers received was worth risking tehir carrers and freedom for. i hope they get the maximum penalty the law will allow. an example has to be set.

(Disclaimer) - First off I pen this article not to endorse or discourage the boycotting of Mirab. My intent in this piece is more to analyze the severity in the deterioration of our Judicial System.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I beg for your understanding in what I am about to say. I do not know Mr. Nahra and can barely even recall where Mirab is or what they sell. However, Boycotting Mirab will not change what has happened. Mr. Ben Bou-Nahra got the best punishment for his crime that his money could afford him. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with that. We would all do the same if we can afford. Who failed us was our legal system and enforcers (or better said, those who should be the enforcers) of our laws. This case was destined to fail from day one. There were many extremes contained in the way this case was handled since the day of the crime.Boycotting Mirab, would be more detrimental than beneficial to our economy.

First off, many if not all employees who works at Mirab will eventually loose their jobs and become dependent on already struggling social services. Secondly, many local distributors who supply Mirab with their products will eventually lose business and eventually their employees will end up losing their job. As you can see it will cause a dominoes effect with no real outcome. Mr. Ben-Nahra will eventually decide to lock up shop and maybe move to Miami and our legal system will still be the way it is today thus allowing another "Rich man" to do as he pleases.

What we should do as a community is to lobby for the arrest of the Commisioner of Police, Head of CIB (at the time of the murder) as well those other political figures, who may have helped him to get off so easy. There was no way Ben Bou-Nehra himself could had manipulated our legal system to the extent to which it was made a mockery on that fateful day when he was acquitted.

The truth of the matter is that our society on a whole has deteriorated. Everyone is quick to assume that this gentle man was guilty without the facts. We do not know whether or not he was attacked and his life threaten. We do not know what the circumstances were on the given night. We were deprived of the truth by the police and their actions. No one apart from Mr. Bou-Nehra will know what happened that night. I am sure if it were anyone one of us that was being attacked we would had defended ourselves. I agree that he should have the same fate as anyone of us. A day in court where the evidence is presented and "Due Process" executed. But instead we had four officers which thought that they could decide a verdict on their own. The actions of these officers were not independent of the corruption that is so rampant in our Belizean society today. Our values as a people and a society has deteriorated so much that the decision made by these police officers were the culmination of an event which was corrupt form the get go. Like these officers, many high ranking personnel in our society, today, has Shawn Copious blood on their hands.

In closing my friends, I ask that we really examine this situation and form our own opinions, then decide whether we really want to boycott Mirab or do we NEED to try change our current system. We will never know whether Mr. Bou-Nehra killed Shawn Copious because he felt threaten or whether he thought he would just kill a "Black youth" and walk free. I for one, think that if our system was work the way it was design to work then whether it was Mr. Bou-Nehra or Mr. Nobody killed another human being they would pay the price for their crime. However, he may have been willing to go to trial to clear his name, but our system failed us not him. Let's fix the system. Boycotting Mirab will not fix our system there are much more to do than sending out these chain e-mail to boycott Mirab. We can start by agitating change that our officials be held responsible for their actions. In the end, I do not think that Ben Bou-Nehra did anything wrong in getting the best legal outcome that his money can afford him. It was the system that failed us. Let's change it.

RIP Shawn Copius.....We will never know what happened that night.

Lahn something fool....anything!!!

Tell your friends, tell the neighbors, and tell our contacts to spread the word.. these people cannot continue to hurt us and we keep silent and do nothing... the time for action is now.

...of MIRAB...The great challenge is HOW do we sensitize a consumerPUBLIC that is NOT aware of their POWER on either an INDIVIDUAL or COLLECTIVE basis!!!

public to understand the buying power they have collectively would be a wonderful thing! The playing field has never been level where that business is concerned,so my family and friends have never bought there and never will!!

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Similiar in some ways, bullet in the back, but I guess its the cover up that has us appalled...